On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:26 AM, Andrey Torba<andreytorba@gmail.com> wrote:

Does it mean that standard will be accepted after Nov 8-13, 2010?

From the standpoint of Boost, the most important time points are when compilers implementing C++0x features start to become available. And

No. It just means that locations of meetings aren't firm beyond that point. Also, once the C++0x workload eases, the committee will probably switch back to twice a year meetings. Also, it isn't useful to focus on the date the standard is "accepted", because that's just the date some ISO administrator decides all the ISO hoops have been jumped through. The key measures of progress are: * CD1 shipped. Fall, 2008. All major features frozen, although some minor features or details of major features may later change. (Concepts was a very unusual exception in that it was pulled out after CD1 shipped.) At this point the C++0x standard was firm enough that major compiler suppliers started to implement features. * CD2 ships. Currently scheduled after the Spring, 2010, meeting. All features are frozen, except for very minor fixes. Very few signatures will change from this point on. Most of the remaining work is improving specifications and editorial fixes. * FCD ships. Not currently scheduled; probably after the Fall, 2010, or spring 2011, meeting. For practical purposes C++0x is done. Most remaining changes will be typos or other editorial fixes. The committee's focus shifts to maintenance and various TR's such as a Module TR and Library TR2. that's already happening. Also, as the committee gets back to work on TR2, that's going to be an opportunity for more Boost libraries to migrate into the standard library. --Beman

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 12:12 PM, Sid Sacek<ssacek@securewatch24.com> wrote:

Is there a link to the "Frozen" spec, or the complete feature list?

The most current link is always available at http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21. Click on "current draft" on the line "# ISO/IEC 14882: Programming Language C++ - current draft" Currently that a link to http://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/wg21/docs/papers/2009/n2914.pdf, which doesn't yet reflect the outcome of votes from the Frankfurt meeting. Given volume of changes related to removing Concepts, it may be a month or two before a new draft is available. --Beman

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Beman Dawes<bdawes@acm.org> wrote:

Also, it isn't useful to focus on the date the standard is "accepted", because that's just the date some ISO administrator decides all the ISO hoops have been jumped through.

I also don't think that when the standard is "accepted" bears much if any relevance to how quickly compilers will start supporting C++0x anyway.

On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 7:41 AM, Mateusz Loskot<mateusz@loskot.net> wrote:

Beman Dawes wrote:

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The schedule for upcoming C++ standards committee meeting is:

Oct 19-24, 2009 Santa Cruz CA, USA: Dinkumware Mar 8-13, 2010 Pittsburgh, PA, USA: CERT (date tentative) Jul 12-17, 2010 Rapperswil, Switzerland: HSR Hochschule fr Technik Nov 8-13, 2010 Batavia, IL, USA: Fermilab

If you are interested in helping with C++ standardization or submitting a TR2 proposal, a great way to get started is to attend a meeting. Let me know if you are interested.

Beman,

Does it mean the meetings are open to public / non-committee members? I'm always confused about that :-)

The meetings are not open to "the public" in the sense of sightseeing tourists. The meeting hosts are usually paying a "per person" fee to the venue, and the rooms are only set up to handle so many people. C++ knowledgeable people who are not committee members are welcome, however, and there are always at least a few of these at each meeting. There were a dozen or so in this category at the Frankfurt meeting, a few more than usual. There is a bit of protocol, which I can privately pass on to any interested Boosters. --Beman