Re: [boost] Re: Logos - Last Minute Change of Heart
----- Mensaje original ----- De: Jonathan Turkanis <technews@kangaroologic.com> Fecha: Lunes, Noviembre 29, 2004 0:28 am Asunto: [boost] Re: Logos - Last Minute Change of Heart
"Peter Petrov" <ppetrov@ppetrov.com> wrote in message news:loom.20041129T000540-994@post.gmane.org...
JOAQUIN LOPEZ MU?Z <joaquin <at> tid.es> writes:
Why don't you try removing the distant parts of the circles surrounding the + signs (so that they look more like C's, rather than O's).
... I played a little with your image and removed them. See the result, I think it looks better:
I agree that this is better. How about trying just a single "C", about twice as thick as the current ones?
Like the attached example? If any of this gains your heart, please feel free to upload it on the Wiki. Gotta go to bed, very late in the night here in Spain. G'nite folks, Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
"JOAQUIN LOPEZ MU?Z" <joaquin@tid.es> wrote : ----- Mensaje original ----- De: Jonathan Turkanis <technews@kangaroologic.com>
"Peter Petrov" <ppetrov@ppetrov.com> wrote in message
... I played a little with your image and removed them. See the result, I think it looks better:
I agree that this is better. How about trying just a single "C", about twice as thick as the current ones?
Like the attached example?
Not quite what I expected, but I like it!
If any of this gains your heart, please feel free to upload it on the Wiki.
Done.
Gotta go to bed, very late in the night here in Spain. G'nite folks,
G'nite.
Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Jonathan
I personally like the blue for the accenting aspect of the logo, with some other colour either Black/other shade of blue for the rest of the logo, so something like this... ###### #### # # # # # # # # # # ##### ##### # # # # ' # ###### #### #### #### # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### #### #### #### # ##### With the 'C++' bit accented Kevin -- | Kevin Wheatley, Cinesite (Europe) Ltd | Nobody thinks this | | Senior Technology | My employer for certain | | And Network Systems Architect | Not even myself |
Kevin Wheatley wrote:
I personally like the blue for the accenting aspect of the logo, with some other colour either Black/other shade of blue for the rest of the logo, so something like this...
###### #### # # # # # # # # # # ##### ##### # # # # ' # ###### #### #### #### # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### #### #### #### # #####
This one was inspired by your idea. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
Kevin Wheatley wrote:
I personally like the blue for the accenting aspect of the logo, with some other colour either Black/other shade of blue for the rest of the logo, so something like this... ###### #### # # # # # # # # # # ##### ##### # # # # ' # ###### #### #### #### # ##### # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # # ###### #### #### #### # #####
This one was inspired by your idea.
Whoops; try this: -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing std::Boost OK, select a nice font, colors, etc., but also the plain text representation is possible and IMHO communicates well where Boost aims at. Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Frey aixigo AG - financial solutions & technology Schloß-Rahe-Straße 15, 52072 Aachen, Germany fon: +49 (0)241 936737-42, fax: +49 (0)241 936737-99 eMail: daniel.frey@aixigo.de, web: http://www.aixigo.de
Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
OK, select a nice font, colors, etc., but also the plain text representation is possible and IMHO communicates well where Boost aims at.
Because it doesn't suggest that Boost leads to standardization the way my submission does. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
OK, select a nice font, colors, etc., but also the plain text representation is possible and IMHO communicates well where Boost aims at.
Because it doesn't suggest that Boost leads to standardization the way my submission does.
Yours implies this theme, too, which is what I meant by "inspired by that". Maybe I should have written: "...where Boost aims at, too.". Anyway, my suggestion was just meant to resolv the complaint Jody also expressed explicitly. I should have made that clearer, sorry. Regards, Daniel -- Daniel Frey aixigo AG - financial solutions & technology Schloß-Rahe-Straße 15, 52072 Aachen, Germany fon: +49 (0)241 936737-42, fax: +49 (0)241 936737-99 eMail: daniel.frey@aixigo.de, web: http://www.aixigo.de
Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
OK, select a nice font, colors, etc., but also the plain text representation is possible and IMHO communicates well where Boost aims at.
Because it doesn't suggest that Boost leads to standardization the way my submission does.
Yours implies this theme, too
?? I know that mine implies the theme that Boost leads to standardization. I was claiming yours doesn't.
, which is what I meant by "inspired by that". Maybe I should have written: "...where Boost aims at, too.". Anyway, my suggestion was just meant to resolv the complaint Jody also expressed explicitly. I should have made that clearer, sorry.
It was pretty clear already. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
Daniel Frey wrote:
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
OK, select a nice font, colors, etc., but also the plain text representation is possible and IMHO communicates well where Boost aims at.
Because it doesn't suggest that Boost leads to standardization the way my submission does.
Yours implies this theme, too
?? I know that mine implies the theme that Boost leads to standardization. I was claiming yours doesn't.
Oh, I misunderstood that. But why doesn't std::Boost imply that Boost libraries (at least some) aim to become part of the standard (that is namespace std::)? Or why is Boostd:: (given the colorized logo) better than std::Boost (logo or text)? Regards, Daniel
Daniel Frey wrote:
Oh, I misunderstood that. But why doesn't std::Boost imply that Boost libraries (at least some) aim to become part of the standard (that is namespace std::)?
Because we read english text from left to right?
Or why is Boostd:: (given the colorized logo) better than std::Boost (logo or text)?
#1, ditto. #2, it's shorter. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
Because we read english text from left to right?
Or why is Boostd:: (given the colorized logo) better than std::Boost (logo or text)?
#1, ditto. #2, it's shorter.
If only I had a decent tool I'd do something better than ASCII art, anyway, I thought that in my original, the small apostrophy allowed one to think "I've Boost'd my code" you could even have an icon for inclusion on web pages/in software indicating some kind of support for the technology. Through careful font construction you could probably swicth the apostrophy into a '+' and drop the false cross bar on the d and still keep the C++ (the new + being the second, the former still being part of the t). Perhaps the C++ could be a different colour drop shadow like the std:: Keepin the Boost part in the forground. Kevin -- | Kevin Wheatley, Cinesite (Europe) Ltd | Nobody thinks this | | Senior Technology | My employer for certain | | And Network Systems Architect | Not even myself |
At 10:40 AM 11/29/2004, Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
I don't like tying Boost too closely to the standardization effort. While a lot of Boost libraries are candidates for standardization, that isn't the whole story of Boost. I'd rather see the tie to "C++". --Beman
Beman Dawes wrote:
At 10:40 AM 11/29/2004, Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[snip]
Inspired by that, how about simply writing
std::Boost
I don't like tying Boost too closely to the standardization effort. While a lot of Boost libraries are candidates for standardization, that isn't the whole story of Boost. I'd rather see the tie to "C++".
I'd say that Boost libraries aim for "standardization quality", not exactly for standardization. C++ is IMHO too vague, YMMV. Regards, Daniel
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:25:57 -0500 David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote: The "d" at the end is a bid confusing, unless you have been in on the "std" discussions. Maybe the "Boo" should be one color, the "d" another, and the "st" some mesh of them, so that visually, you see Boost and std as one, yet separate as well. Of course, my talents are the other extreme of artistic creativity (I can not even draw stick people)...
Jody Hagins wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:25:57 -0500 David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote:
The "d" at the end is a bid confusing, unless you have been in on the "std" discussions. Maybe the "Boo" should be one color, the "d" another, and the "st" some mesh of them, so that visually, you see Boost and std as one, yet separate as well.
I worked hard to achieve the separation you're referring to. It doesn't work to have a smooth transition across Boo-st-d because it makes the "d" look like part of "Boostd". The "std::" is meant to be very subtle; It emerges as a continuation of the shadow behind "Booost". To demarcate the beginning of "std::", it becomes italicized there.
Of course, my talents are the other extreme of artistic creativity (I can not even draw stick people)...
O /|\ ^ / \ HTH, ;-) -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
Jody Hagins wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 10:25:57 -0500 David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote:
The "d" at the end is a bid confusing, unless you have been in on the "std" discussions. Maybe the "Boo" should be one color, the "d" another, and the "st" some mesh of them, so that visually, you see Boost and std as one, yet separate as well.
This one might help address that complaint (?) -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 11:53:48 -0500 David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote:
The "d" at the end is a bid confusing, unless you have been in on the"std" discussions. Maybe the "Boo" should be one color, the "d" another, and the "st" some mesh of them, so that visually, you see Boost and std as one, yet separate as well.
This one might help address that complaint (?)
True; the integration is much more obvious in this one.
At 06:52 PM 11/28/2004, JOAQUIN LOPEZ MU?Z wrote:
... I played a little with your image and removed them. See the result, I think it looks better:
I agree that this is better. How about trying just a single "C", about twice as thick as the current ones?
Like the attached example? If any of this gains your heart, please feel free to upload it on the Wiki. Gotta go to bed, very late in the night here in Spain. G'nite folks,
I like your boost8.png, but wonder if the C could be rotated clockwise somewhat so that it didn't look like a dead bug with feet in the air:-) --Beman
Beman Dawes ha escrito:
At 06:52 PM 11/28/2004, JOAQUIN LOPEZ MU?Z wrote:
... I played a little with your image and removed them. See the result, I think it looks better:
I agree that this is better. How about trying just a single "C", about twice as thick as the current ones?
Like the attached example? If any of this gains your heart, please feel free to upload it on the Wiki. Gotta go to bed, very late in the night here in Spain. G'nite folks,
I like your boost8.png, but wonder if the C could be rotated clockwise somewhat so that it didn't look like a dead bug with feet in the air:-)
It's amazing what people see in a couple of lines :) I'm taking note of your suggestion, but if you don't mind I'll postpone further changes until after the voting. Speaking of which, I hope a refinement stage will take place once the final logo is chosen, so as to keep everybody happy: otherwise the artists will come up with many pre-voting variations of the same logo so as to please as many folks as possible, and this has the statistical effect that every single variation will be less likely to be voted by the majority. Take for instance Dave's Boost&rocket logos:. I might like all of them, generally speaking, but only one will get my vote: the outcome is that the popularity of the logo family will be spread among its components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired. Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Joaquín Mª López Muñoz wrote:
[...] Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired.
With the limitation that you can only vote once for a given logo, that seems like a reasonable rule, given that human lives are not in the balance of the outcome (we hope!). Dave
At 11:38 AM 11/29/2004, Joaquín Mª López Muñoz wrote:
...I might like all of them, generally speaking, but only one will get my vote: the outcome is that the popularity of the logo family will be spread among its components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired.
Understood. Sometimes in C++ committee votes people are allowed to vote for each candidate that is acceptable. I'd also like to see "over my dead body" votes allowed. If anyone objects strongly to a proposal, I'd like to know it and know why. --Beman
Beman Dawes wrote:
At 11:38 AM 11/29/2004, Joaquín Mª López Muñoz wrote:
...I might like all of them, generally speaking, but only one will get my vote: the outcome is that the popularity of the logo family will be spread among its components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired.
Understood. Sometimes in C++ committee votes people are allowed to vote for each candidate that is acceptable.
I'd also like to see "over my dead body" votes allowed. If anyone objects strongly to a proposal, I'd like to know it and know why.
I think having a ranked vote would solve most problems. Let people make up to 3, or any other appropriate number, choices and rank them in order of preference. When tabulating the higher ranked choices get more points. And you add the points. The "winner" is the one with most points. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com - 102708583/icq
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:25:50AM -0600, Rene Rivera wrote:
Beman Dawes wrote:
At 11:38 AM 11/29/2004, Joaqu?n M? L?pez Mu?oz wrote:
...I might like all of them, generally speaking, but only one will get my vote: the outcome is that the popularity of the logo family will be spread among its components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired.
Understood. Sometimes in C++ committee votes people are allowed to vote for each candidate that is acceptable.
I'd also like to see "over my dead body" votes allowed. If anyone objects strongly to a proposal, I'd like to know it and know why.
I think having a ranked vote would solve most problems. Let people make up to 3, or any other appropriate number, choices and rank them in order of preference. When tabulating the higher ranked choices get more points. And you add the points. The "winner" is the one with most points.
Right now, before your very eyes, watch the logo bicycle shed become a voting system bicycle shed - tada! ;-) jon -- "Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious." - 1984, George Orwell
Jonathan Wakely wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:25:50AM -0600, Rene Rivera wrote:
I think having a ranked vote would solve most problems. Let people make up to 3, or any other appropriate number, choices and rank them in order of preference. When tabulating the higher ranked choices get more points. And you add the points. The "winner" is the one with most points.
Right now, before your very eyes, watch the logo bicycle shed become a voting system bicycle shed - tada! ;-)
Such constructive criticism. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com - 102708583/icq
Rene Rivera wrote:
Jonathan Wakely wrote:
On Tue, Nov 30, 2004 at 09:25:50AM -0600, Rene Rivera wrote:
I think having a ranked vote would solve most problems. Let people make up to 3, or any other appropriate number, choices and rank them in order of preference. When tabulating the higher ranked choices get more points. And you add the points. The "winner" is the one with most points.
Right now, before your very eyes, watch the logo bicycle shed become a voting system bicycle shed - tada! ;-)
Such constructive criticism.
And in case you misunderstood, ranked voting is a standard voting system... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vote#Standard_vote_types Some constructive criticism would be something like... All this voting stuff is out of hand... It might be better to have well known Boost persons judge the selection instead of giving a bunch of random people who may not have a good idea of what Boost is about a voice in the matter. For example we could say that the Boost admins would do the judging. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com - 102708583/icq
Jonathan Wakely wrote:
[...] Right now, before your very eyes, watch the logo bicycle shed become a voting system bicycle shed - tada! ;-)
I agree with one aspect...that talking about voting is premature. At this point, I don't think there are enough submissions to have a good vote. Frankly, I think it would be more constructive to solicit volunteers to run the suggested logo contest. Only after that gets running and we get some more logos to look at does it make sense to me to talk about voting. For instance, should the contest have a prize? If so, what? If it's only a matter of pride in being listed on the Boost site, is that enough motivation to attract a wide pool of contestants? Dave
David B. Held wrote:
Jonathan Wakely wrote:
[...] Right now, before your very eyes, watch the logo bicycle shed become a voting system bicycle shed - tada! ;-)
I agree with one aspect...that talking about voting is premature. At this point, I don't think there are enough submissions to have a good vote. Frankly, I think it would be more constructive to solicit volunteers to run the suggested logo contest. Only after that gets running and we get some more logos to look at does it make sense to me to talk about voting. For instance, should the contest have a prize? If so, what? If it's only a matter of pride in being listed on the Boost site, is that enough motivation to attract a wide pool of contestants?
Just like contestants may want to know what they get if their logo is chosen, they may justifiably want to know how the process of choosing will go. We have to tell them up front in the announcement to avoid misunderstandings later. And, BTW, I wonder if we should do this the same way we do library submissions, where the final decision goes to a review manager, informed by the voting? -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
[...] And, BTW, I wonder if we should do this the same way we do library submissions, where the final decision goes to a review manager, informed by the voting?
I wonder if there is someone brave enough to bear the brunt of the criticism from those who disagree with their decision. ;) And if there is such a person, I wonder if we should trust them with making such a decision. ;>> Dave
David B. Held wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
[...] And, BTW, I wonder if we should do this the same way we do library submissions, where the final decision goes to a review manager, informed by the voting?
I wonder if there is someone brave enough to bear the brunt of the criticism from those who disagree with their decision. ;) And if there is such a person, I wonder if we should trust them with making such a decision. ;>>
I might be willing. Whether you'd trust me is another question altogether. -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
At Tuesday 2004-11-30 08:25, you wrote:
Beman Dawes wrote:
At 11:38 AM 11/29/2004, Joaquín Mª López Muñoz wrote:
...I might like all of them, generally speaking, but only one will get my vote: the outcome is that the popularity of the logo family will be spread among its components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired. Understood. Sometimes in C++ committee votes people are allowed to vote for each candidate that is acceptable. I'd also like to see "over my dead body" votes allowed. If anyone objects strongly to a proposal, I'd like to know it and know why.
I think having a ranked vote would solve most problems. Let people make up to 3, or any other appropriate number, choices and rank them in order of preference. When tabulating the higher ranked choices get more points. And you add the points. The "winner" is the one with most points.
there are interesting problems with this (ranked) system (depending on the weights used for each rank) which include such non-sense as having different winners if you add a candidate that gets ranked last by everyone (that assumes, that you have to rank them all). The study of voting systems has produced a lot of literature (my personal favorite is "approval voting" (one man, many votes)). Given the recent election here in the U.S. you can probably find many links to systems Concordiat(sp?), IRV, approval, etc. One of the reasons I prefer approval to those I've heard about is the simplicity of explaining it, and of doing the analysis of how to vote for the voters. The others have some (strange to me) game theory aspects if you want to optimize the probability of being happy with the results.
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components. Unless we devise a rule that allows people to cast as many votes as desired.
I cast two votes against such a rule.
Joaquín M López Muñoz Telefónica, Investigación y Desarrollo
Jonathan
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