While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out: http://www.artima.com/cppsource/metafunctions.html and see how it compares with Rene's page at http://redshift-software.com/~grafik/boost/index.htm on your sundry browsers. I don't have an idea of which one is better, but we should at least get the benefit of that research. Thanks, -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
David Abrahams wrote:
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences.
And I would be in the same camp as Bill :-)
I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
http://www.artima.com/cppsource/metafunctions.html
and see how it compares with Rene's page at
http://redshift-software.com/~grafik/boost/index.htm
on your sundry browsers. I don't have an idea of which one is better, but we should at least get the benefit of that research.
And of course the entertaining thing for me is that his pages look identical to what I created. Of course that's because the sizes I specified correspond to the default size I have on my browser also ;-) But then I go look at it on IE, with the OTB defaults, and Bills' pages look bloated. :-\ -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com - 102708583/icq
From: David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com>
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
I looked at the HTML and CSS source. He specifies font sizes all over the place. Some are percentages of normal; some are so many ems. That doesn't fit with what you're saying. Did he ultimately give up? -- Rob Stewart stewart@sig.com Software Engineer http://www.sig.com Susquehanna International Group, LLP using std::disclaimer;
Rob Stewart wrote:
From: David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com>
I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
I looked at the HTML and CSS source. He specifies font sizes all over the place. Some are percentages of normal; some are so many ems. That doesn't fit with what you're saying. Did he ultimately give up?
No.. Those are all relative sizes. He never specifies the overall font size. So it becomes whatever the user specified default is. -- -- Grafik - Don't Assume Anything -- Redshift Software, Inc. - http://redshift-software.com -- rrivera/acm.org - grafik/redshift-software.com - 102708583/icq
Rob Stewart wrote:
From: David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com>
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
I looked at the HTML and CSS source. He specifies font sizes all over the place. Some are percentages of normal; some are so many ems. That doesn't fit with what you're saying. Did he ultimately give up?
As Rene said, no. In fact we worked damned hard to make it that good. But what is your overall impression of the page? -- Dave Abrahams Boost Consulting http://www.boost-consulting.com
From: David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com>
Rob Stewart wrote:
From: David Abrahams <dave@boost-consulting.com>
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
I looked at the HTML and CSS source. He specifies font sizes all over the place. Some are percentages of normal; some are so many ems. That doesn't fit with what you're saying. Did he ultimately give up?
As Rene said, no. In fact we worked damned hard to make it that good.
OK, so I misunderstood what you meant by "abhors the idea of specifying a font size."
But what is your overall impression of the page?
I'd call it excellent, save for the italicized formulas. The low resolution of a typical computer screen leads to garbled text because of the jaggies on the /'s, l's, and t's. -- Rob Stewart stewart@sig.com Software Engineer http://www.sig.com Susquehanna International Group, LLP using std::disclaimer;
At 02:58 PM 12/14/2004, David Abrahams wrote:
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
http://www.artima.com/cppsource/metafunctions.html
and see how it compares with Rene's page at
http://redshift-software.com/~grafik/boost/index.htm
on your sundry browsers. I don't have an idea of which one is better, but we should at least get the benefit of that research.
For both IE6 and Firefox, the artima sample sizes fonts closer to my preference. The redshift sample is one font size too small for my taste. --Beman
David Abrahams wrote:
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
http://www.artima.com/cppsource/metafunctions.html
and see how it compares with Rene's page at
http://redshift-software.com/~grafik/boost/index.htm
on your sundry browsers. I don't have an idea of which one is better, but we should at least get the benefit of that research.
The first page (Aritma) uses the font size *I* specified, while the second page seems to use a smaller font. Obviously, I think the first is preferable. (Firefox 1.0, screen size 1600x1200) Regards, Daniel
Daniel Frey wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
While Rene was wrangling fonts I forgot that I went through this whole process with Bill Venners of Artima. We ended up with a very different answer, because Bill abhors the idea of specifying a font size; he wants to respect peoples' preferences. I would appreciate it if everybody would check out:
http://www.artima.com/cppsource/metafunctions.html
and see how it compares with Rene's page at
http://redshift-software.com/~grafik/boost/index.htm
on your sundry browsers. I don't have an idea of which one is better, but we should at least get the benefit of that research.
The first page (Aritma) uses the font size *I* specified, while the second page seems to use a smaller font. Obviously, I think the first is preferable. (Firefox 1.0, screen size 1600x1200)
The first one looks strikingly similar to QuickBook and the new L&F of the generated boostbook docs that Eric and I worked on sometime ago (example): http://tinyurl.com/48kv5 I did notice that the fonts were a little bit fat and some people noted that the line spacing isn't quite right. I worked on it some more and found the best setting to be (example): http://tinyurl.com/6crgp This is somewhere in between Bill Venners 's and Rene's. While searching for the best size/line-spacing (all relative, BTW), I did try something like Rene's but found it to be too small. Also, it's not just the font size; line spacing matters a lot too. Cheers, -- Joel de Guzman http://www.boost-consulting.com http://spirit.sf.net
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