Let's use stack exchange!
Hi, I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking... Now that the engine behind it is free http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/04/13.html I think we can benefit a lot from using it for boost. In addition it should help us with review managers issues. We can use "reputation" based system to qualify potential managers. In practice: who should agree to this and who would do the work? Gennadiy
On 4/15/2010 2:20 PM, Gennadiy Rozental wrote:
Now that the engine behind it is free
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/04/13.html
I think we can benefit a lot from using it for boost.
It's a good idea but why do they have to do this part: The content of these new, community-created Stack Exchange sites will be publically owned under a Creative Commons license, instead of being owned by individuals or businesses.
Sohail Somani <sohail <at> taggedtype.net> writes:
It's a good idea but why do they have to do this part:
The content of these new, community-created Stack Exchange sites will be publically owned under a Creative Commons license, instead of being owned by individuals or businesses.
1. Who owns the content of boost mailing list posts now? 2. What system should be in your opinion? 3. I think this is discussable and we should be able ti use boost license if necessary. Genandiy
On 15 April 2010 14:20, Gennadiy Rozental <rogeeff@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition it should help us with review managers issues. We can use "reputation" based system to qualify potential managers.
Ignoring the advantages or disadvantages of the stack overflow system for questions and discussion, I think using it to qualify review managers is a terrible idea. Joel of all people should know that systems like that always get gamed. <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/09.html> You "win" on Stack Overflow by refreshing like mad and putting in the barest of answers as quickly as possible to get "first post", then editing just enough to make it acceptable so others don't look at it since it already has an accepted answer. I doubt that system will find the kind of people we want as arbiters of the contents of Boost.
Scott McMurray <me22.ca+boost <at> gmail.com> writes:
On 15 April 2010 14:20, Gennadiy Rozental <rogeeff <at> gmail.com> wrote:
In addition it should help us with review managers issues. We can use "reputation" based system to qualify potential managers.
Ignoring the advantages or disadvantages of the stack overflow system for questions and discussion, I think using it to qualify review managers is a terrible idea. Joel of all people should know that systems like that always get gamed. <http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2006/08/09.html>
My position is that almost any system can be gamed with some effort. We should just reply on some "intrinsic nature of boosters" which will prevent something like this to happened.
You "win" on Stack Overflow by refreshing like mad and putting in the barest of answers as quickly as possible to get "first post", then editing just enough to make it acceptable so others don't look at it since it already has an accepted answer. I doubt that system will find the kind of people we want as arbiters of the contents of Boost.
a) It might be possible to tweak the system a bit for our purposes (I hope) b) If you know answers to all the question and willing to spend all the time answering on them it is indeed some indication of both your level of expertise and dedication to boost in general ;) Gennadiy
It seems that this message did not make it to the list when I sent it yesterday. Resending, and sorry for the noise if it ends up being a duplicate. De : Scott McMurray
On 15 April 2010 14:20, Gennadiy Rozental <rogeeff@gmail.com> wrote:
In addition it should help us with review managers issues. We can use "reputation" based system to qualify potential managers.
You "win" on Stack Overflow by refreshing like mad and putting in the barest of answers as quickly as possible to get "first post", then editing just enough to make it acceptable so others don't look at it since it already has an accepted answer. I doubt that system will find the kind of people we want as arbiters of the contents of Boost.
Just wondering: This is possibly more related to the size, variety, or "culture" of the "stackoverflow community" than a consequence of the system itself. Things may be different in an eventual "boostoverflow community".
You "win" on Stack Overflow by refreshing like mad and putting in the barest of answers as quickly as possible to get "first post", then editing just enough to make it acceptable so others don't look at it since it already has an accepted answer. I doubt that system will find the kind of people we want as arbiters of the contents of Boost.
On stack overflow questions get answered decently, and that's all that matters. -Edouard
On 16 April 2010 09:26, Eric MALENFANT <Eric.Malenfant@sagem-interstar.com> wrote:
De : Scott McMurray
You "win" on Stack Overflow by refreshing like mad and putting in the barest of answers as quickly as possible to get "first post", then editing just enough to make it acceptable so others don't look at it since it already has an accepted answer. I doubt that system will find the kind of people we want as arbiters of the contents of Boost.
Just wondering: This is possibly more related to the size, variety, or "culture" of the "stackoverflow community" than a consequence of the system itself. Things may be different in an eventual "boostoverflow community".
That is possible, though I do think a non-negligible cause is the extrinsic motivation of the "reputation" number. On the mailing list there's no editing and no counters. Anyways, I do think that StackOverflow could be useful for some of the Boost-Users list content, but why would we want a separate one? It seems like there's already a "BoostOverflow" at http://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/boost that people are welcome to use for the kinds of questions that the StackOverflow interface is best at.
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Gennadiy Rozental <rogeeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking...
Hi, I would prefer it to keep a mailing list. It's a great way to centralize all information and discussions you need in only one place, considering that most of us do not subscribe only one. []'s -- Felipe de Oliveira Tanus E-mail: fotanus@gmail.com Blog: http://www.itlife.com.br Site: http://www.inf.ufrgs.br/~fotanus/ ----- "All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us." - Gandalf
On 15 April 2010 15:26, Felipe Tanus <fotanus@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 3:20 PM, Gennadiy Rozental <rogeeff@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,
I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking...
Hi, I would prefer it to keep a mailing list. It's a great way to centralize all information and discussions you need in only one place, considering that most of us do not subscribe only one.
I also like mailing lists. With them I can: 1) Keep track of what I've dealt with and what still needs attention 2) Mark threads as uninteresting and not see them again 3) Consolidate the communication of multiple projects on one screen if desired I don't know of any other system that allows those capabilities. ~ Scott (In email, #1 is read/unread and the "mark unread" button, #2 is the "mute" button in gmail or the equivalent in Exchange 2010, #3 is the inbox and history in conjunction with labels or search.)
At Thu, 15 Apr 2010 17:11:57 -0400, Scott McMurray wrote:
Hi, I would prefer it to keep a mailing list. It's a great way to centralize all information and discussions you need in only one place, considering that most of us do not subscribe only one.
I also like mailing lists. With them I can: 1) Keep track of what I've dealt with and what still needs attention 2) Mark threads as uninteresting and not see them again 3) Consolidate the communication of multiple projects on one screen if desired
I don't know of any other system that allows those capabilities.
I agree that email works well for many purposes. The one thing I'd like to see done differently is that our email lists be integrated with a web-based forum system, not because I particularly like using that interface, but because 1. Many others prefer it, and 2. Most such systems (e.g. phpbb) make it trivial to create new lists/groups. I think it would be useful if each library review got its own list. -- Dave Abrahams Meet me at BoostCon: http://www.boostcon.com BoostPro Computing http://www.boostpro.com
Gennadiy Rozental wrote:
Hi,
I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking...
Now that the engine behind it is free
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/items/2010/04/13.html
I think we can benefit a lot from using it for boost.
In addition it should help us with review managers issues. We can use "reputation" based system to qualify potential managers.
Except, IMHO, stackoverflow's reputation system indicates how much spare time an individual has, and how hot are the topics he participates in, rather than any particular skill set. It's not clear whether you can build a system with better properties. - Volodya
On Thursday 15 April 2010 21:20:38 Gennadiy Rozental wrote:
I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking...
Have you ever tougth of using a mail client ? Mine does all that very nicely and lets me keep lots of mailing lists in separate folders.
Marius <letto2 <at> gmail.com> writes:
On Thursday 15 April 2010 21:20:38 Gennadiy Rozental wrote:
I've always envied a bit how stackoverflow site was operating. I like the interface much better than mailing lists. Search, filtering, thread tracking...
Have you ever tougth of using a mail client ? Mine does all that very nicely and lets me keep lots of mailing lists in separate folders.
These days I find the only practical interfaces are web based. Otherwise I always end up on a computer which do not have my favorite mail client (even that has rather limited filtering/thread management ability. For example, I can't filter only boost.test related threads. Or only related new currently reviewed library. or some combination. And the mailing list like interface is available through rss feed. Well, this was just an idea. Gennadiy
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