Welcome to our NEW Boost Discourse server! 🥳🎉
Hello everyone! Boost board has been working on a few improvements lately, one of which is to create a new *Boost Discourse server: https://discourse.boost.org/ <https://discourse.boost.org/>* The server is meant to allow more interactive and convenient development in the boost community, and we'll be happy to have you all there! *To join the server:* 1. Go to the URL: https://discourse.boost.org/ 2. Login to the discourse server 3. The server contains three categories: 1. Beginners - start here if you're new to Boost or to discourse 2. Boost Development - go here to create a new topic of discussion (roughly, we expect every new library will have its own discussion thread) 3. Community - go here if you'd like to start a thread about community topics, or if you'd like to talk about anything that doesn't fit the first two topics :) *To start a technical discussion:* 1. log-in 2. Go to the "*Boost Development*" category 3. Click on "+ New Topic" (in the right upper corner), and add a new discussion topic for your library! [image: image.png] Please review our Code of Conduct <https://cppnow.org/about/code_of_conduct/> before participation. We expect a respectful and positive discussion! If there are any technical issues, feel free to approach me at: sinbal2lextra@gmail.com or any other of the server admins: jeff@crystalclearsoftware.com, camior@gmail.com, whatwasthataddress@gmail.com Looking forward to seeing you all in our new discourse server! 🤗 Thanks, Inbal Levi, in the name of the Boost Foundation board members ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Lead Software Engineer @ Millenium* Isocpp, Boost &"Hamakor" Non-Profits Board Member ISO C++ LEWG Chair & Israeli NB Chair C++Now Program Chair & CoreC++ Conference Organizer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Inbal Levi via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Hello everyone! Boost board has been working on a few improvements lately, one of which is to create a new *Boost Discourse server: https://discourse.boost.org/ <https://discourse.boost.org/>*
The server is meant to allow more interactive and convenient development in the boost community, and we'll be happy to have you all there!
Wow. I remember a discussion about this back in April/May, and all the people who said (paraphrased) “Do not want”. — Marshall Example:
On Apr 26, 2023, at 7:34 AM, Andrea Bocci via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Very simply, if you replace the mailing list(s) with a forum (or fora), I will stop following any Boost discussion.
Best of luck, .Andrea
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 12:57 PM Marshall Clow via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Inbal Levi via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org>
wrote:
Hello everyone! Boost board has been working on a few improvements lately, one of which
is
to create a new *Boost Discourse server: https://discourse.boost.org/ <https://discourse.boost.org/>*
The server is meant to allow more interactive and convenient development in the boost community, and we'll be happy to have you all there!
Wow.
I remember a discussion about this back in April/May, and all the people who said (paraphrased) “Do not want”.
IMO people who can't figure out mailing lists are unlikely to add much value to any discussion, so maybe it's good if they go to the new discourse server. :) On a serious note, I think the combination of Slack + mailing list works great. Adding a third place one can go to means more people won't know where to go.
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:08 PM Emil Dotchevski via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
IMO people who can't figure out mailing lists are unlikely to add much value to any discussion, so maybe it's good if they go to the new discourse server. :)
I frequently find people with different preferences to me add the most value in discussions. YMMV ;-D
On a serious note, I think the combination of Slack + mailing list works great. Adding a third place one can go to means more people won't know where to go.
It works great for you, but you're here. We frequently hear about barriers to entry from people outside our community that would make for excellent Boost contributors. Preferred modes of communication evolve over time; if we don't adapt, we risk obsolescence. I'm not saying that discourse is the answer or will even necessarily work, but I think it's worth a try.
On 11/10/2023 20:56, Marshall Clow via Boost wrote:
On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Inbal Levi via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Hello everyone! Boost board has been working on a few improvements lately, one of which is to create a new *Boost Discourse server: https://discourse.boost.org/ <https://discourse.boost.org/>*
The server is meant to allow more interactive and convenient development in the boost community, and we'll be happy to have you all there!
Wow.
I remember a discussion about this back in April/May, and all the people who said (paraphrased) “Do not want”.
Was not the counterproposal that posts to here will cross post to Discourse, and vice versa? I cannot stand Discourse, which is also Javascript only and I run my browser with Javascript off, so generally if I land on a Discourse website from Google, I simply close the tab. I'd take old fashioned phpBB any day before Discourse. I'd also take Reddit any day before Discourse. Or any of the other discussion forums we discussed last time we did this. I guess that ship has sailed. Let's see if anybody actually uses it. Niall
I remember a discussion about this back in April/May, and all the people who said (paraphrased) “Do not want”. I was not aware of this (possibly because I only joined the foundation around that time), but at least during the discussions I was part of, the discourse solution seemed to be optimal in terms of cost/usability/integrability. It's up to you, of course, I personally find it convenient. We would appreciate it if people would give it a chance :)
Was not the counterproposal that posts to here will cross post to Discourse, and vice versa? Yes, this is still a target, we're working on this in parallel.
Thanks all, for your feedback! :) Thanks, Inbal Levi ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ *Lead Software Engineer @ Millenium* Isocpp, Boost &"Hamakor" Non-Profits Board Member ISO C++ LEWG Chair & Israeli NB Chair C++Now Program Chair & CoreC++ Conference Organizer ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 11:09 PM Niall Douglas via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
On 11/10/2023 20:56, Marshall Clow via Boost wrote:
On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Inbal Levi via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Hello everyone! Boost board has been working on a few improvements lately, one of which
is
to create a new *Boost Discourse server: https://discourse.boost.org/ <https://discourse.boost.org/>*
The server is meant to allow more interactive and convenient development in the boost community, and we'll be happy to have you all there!
Wow.
I remember a discussion about this back in April/May, and all the people who said (paraphrased) “Do not want”.
Was not the counterproposal that posts to here will cross post to Discourse, and vice versa?
I cannot stand Discourse, which is also Javascript only and I run my browser with Javascript off, so generally if I land on a Discourse website from Google, I simply close the tab. I'd take old fashioned phpBB any day before Discourse.
I'd also take Reddit any day before Discourse. Or any of the other discussion forums we discussed last time we did this.
I guess that ship has sailed. Let's see if anybody actually uses it.
Niall
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On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:09 PM Niall Douglas via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Let's see if anybody actually uses it.
That's the idea. There are no plans to replace or remove the mailing list. I hope you try discourse though. Discourse posts can be made and responded to using an email client if the JS interface isn't your cup of tea.
On Oct 11, 2023, at 2:55 PM, David Sankel via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 11, 2023 at 4:09 PM Niall Douglas via Boost < boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
Let's see if anybody actually uses it.
That's the idea. There are no plans to replace or remove the mailing list. I hope you try discourse though. Discourse posts can be made and responded to using an email client if the JS interface isn't your cup of tea.
I have tried Discourse several times (several conferences use it, as well as LLVM). You’ll notice that I am not on the LLVM Discourse server. Discourse (and its ilk) have many disadvantages. 1) I can’t archive discussions (or at least I can’t do that w/o effort on my part). I have boost discussions going back to 2000 that I can search. 2) It tries WAY WAY too hard to interrupt me. I will deal with things when it’s convenient for ME, not when it thinks I should. 3) The cartoonish interface rubs me the wrong way. I barely tolerate Slack, and Discourse is much more objectionable. Clearly I was not forceful enough back in April. I should have stated my opinion more forcefully: “Discourse: Do not want” — Marshall
On 10/11/23 1:08 PM, Niall Douglas via Boost wrote:
On 11/10/2023 20:56, Marshall Clow via Boost wrote:
On Oct 11, 2023, at 12:19 PM, Inbal Levi via Boost <boost@lists.boost.org> wrote:
I guess that ship has sailed. Let's see if anybody actually uses it.
Right. At Boost we have a long tradition of just letting people propose and try stuff without necessarily getting a consensus first. It's our way of avoiding the "design/management by committee" paralysis syndrome. I think it works well for us. But it IS very painful when one's idea is not successful. I am constantly reminded this first hand. Robert Ramey
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