"David Abrahams" <dave@boost-consulting.com> wrote in message news:ufyxd8ra6.fsf@boost-consulting.com... | "Thorsten Ottosen" <nesotto@cs.auc.dk> writes: | | > "Beman Dawes" <bdawes@acm.org> wrote in message | > news:d4k44t$9b9$1@sea.gmane.org... | > | "Thorsten Ottosen" <nesotto@cs.auc.dk> wrote in message | > | news:d4gi2c$2jd$1@sea.gmane.org... | > | > In Lillehammer we rejected a policy-based smart pointer... | > | That isn't what happened. The committee's wiki describes the LWG's | > | position: | > | "No support for a policy-based framework at this time. This is a | > | refinement of Loki, but, while Loki is in use, this refinement | > | isn't. We'll consider such a proposal later, if there is widespread | > | practice and strong arguments for it." | > | "No support ... at this time." is very different from rejection. | > | > maybe, I didn't mention why it was "rejected" but I don't see any | > conceptual difference; I strongly encourage people to not write a | > proposal before they know the committee are willing to accept it. | | Speaking as someone who has been involved in this process since 1996, | IMO that's very bad advice. There's hardly any way to even get an | inkling of whether the committee are willing to accept most proposals | without writing and submitting them. Well, both me and Doug asked explicitly about our respective libraries. I got a "not yet" and he got an "ok". That's easy; no time wasted. | > I see it like this: we are very limited in resources in the library | > working group and we want to focus on libraries that can be used by | > as many users as possible. And that means a policy-based smart | > pointer is probably not going into the standard. | | To all who are reading: I just want to emphasize that this is | Thorsten's personal viewpoint and doesn't neccessarily reflect the | opinion of others. What else could "I see it like this" possibly mean? That it was your oppinion???
I don't mind doing work for free---as long as it is not waisted; | > waisted work would **** me off. | | If you want to be sure to avoid wasted work you need to participate in | the committee process and build consensus on the reflectors between | meetings... and even then it is possible to fail. Dave H. didn't do | that AFAICT. There's no good reason to think that Andrei's impression | that "people really liked the idea" should be enough to ensure that | the next proposal would be accepted.
but how should people know if their proposal has got a chance if not by asking? -Thorsten