On 15 Jan 2014 at 7:18, Hartmut Kaiser wrote:
Like any C++ probably Boost.Fiber makes many malloc calls per context switch. It adds up.
I don't think that things like a context switch require any memory allocation. All you do is to flush the registers, flip the stack pointer, and load the registers from the new stack.
A fiber implementation would also need to maintain work and sleep queues. They're all STL containers at present.
I think coming within 50% of the performance of Windows Fibers would be more than plenty. After all Boost.Fiber "does more" than Windows Fibers.
It might be sufficient for you but not for everybody else. It wouldn't be sufficient for us, for instance. If you build systems relying on fine grain parallelism, then efficiently implemented fibers are the only way to go. If you need to create billions of threads (fibers), then every microsecond of overhead counts billion-fold.
Firstly I think you underestimate how quick Windows Fibers are - they have been highly tuned to win SQL Server benchmarks. Secondly, Boost.Fiber does a ton load more work than Windows Fibers, so no one can reasonably expect it to be as quick.
If I ever had a willing employer, I could get clang to spit out far more malloc optimal C++ at the cost of a new ABI, but I never could get an employer to bite.
Sorry for sidestepping, are you sure compilers do memory allocation as part of their way to conform to ABI's? I was always assuming memory allocation is done only when explicitly requested by user code.
This is very off topic for this mailing list. However, one of the projects I proposed at BlackBerry before I was removed was to solve the substantial Qt allocation overhead because of PIMPL by getting clang to replace much use of individual operator new's for temporary objects with a single alloca() at the base of the call stack. This broke ABI because you need to generate an additional copy of every constructor, one which uses the new purely stack based allocation mechanism for temporary dynamic memory allocations (also, we'd need to spit out additional metadata to help the link and LTCG layer assemble the right code). Anyway the idea was deemed too weird to see any business case, and then of course I was eliminated shortly thereafter anyway. I should mention that this idea was one of mine long before joining BlackBerry, and therefore nothing proprietary is being leaked. Niall -- Currently unemployed and looking for work. Work Portfolio: http://careers.stackoverflow.com/nialldouglas/