I was thinking a bit about syntax for the default value for the notional boost::convert() and kin. How about the following: int const i(3); string const s("something"); int const j(convert<int>(s) | 5); convert<DestType,SourceType>(SourceType) can return a type which throws on failure in operator DestType(), but has an operator |(SourceType) which returns a second type constructed with the SourceType value. The second type provides its own operator |(SourceType) which returns that value in its operator DestType() on failure. Returning a default value in lieu of an exception is a special case; it ought not be treated like formatting. Thus, while Boost.Parameter might be appropriate to package the extra information desired for formatting, I don't like the idea of writing "default_ = 5" in the call, and I don't think ", 5" in the argument list is as clear as it could be. The syntax above is obvious and concise while being distinct from whatever may be done for formatting. _____ Rob Stewart robert.stewart@sig.com Software Engineer, Core Software using std::disclaimer; Susquehanna International Group, LLP http://www.sig.com IMPORTANT: The information contained in this email and/or its attachments is confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by reply and immediately delete this message and all its attachments. Any review, use, reproduction, disclosure or dissemination of this message or any attachment by an unintended recipient is strictly prohibited. Neither this message nor any attachment is intended as or should be construed as an offer, solicitation or recommendation to buy or sell any security or other financial instrument. Neither the sender, his or her employer nor any of their respective affiliates makes any warranties as to the completeness or accuracy of any of the information contained herein or that this message or any of its attachments is free of viruses.