For whatever it's worth, I'd like to give my opinions about this issue. I've personally handled some serious projects with serious build configurations which border from the trivial to the bizarre. I have had the experience of trying to build/port an application between Windows and Linux more than once while I also try to write libraries that will build on either platform. I've tried to do this before with "just auto-make and friends" and Boost.Build (v2 mostly) and I all I can say is that the first time I tried BBv2 it's simple enough to understand and use. Now I haven't been using Boost (or developing for Boost (yet) for the matter) as long as others on the list have so I haven't experienced the pain of building BBv1 and then transitioning to BBv2. But I have been able to use BBv2 extensively in at least a couple of projects (two of which open source, and two of which not open source) and all I can say is that it's been a breeze to use. What I particularly like about BBv2 is how easy it seems to make a Jamfile.v2 from scratch and modify it according to your later requirements without the pain you usually deal with in the Make family of tools. Although I understand the apprehension of maintaining the Jam sources (in C most of it) and even the Boost.Build .jam files, I for one have seen the benefits of such a system as being part of Boost. I guess the thought of using something not-Boost maintained is brought about by the obvious hardships in maintaining .jam files in Boost.Build itself, and extending the tool chain as well as the mere maintenance of the code to fight fires and squash bugs that seem to be never ending. The apprehension I feel in adopting CMake is with the inertia and the investment a lot of people have put into (me included) understanding and using effectively not only the Boost library but the excellent build system that comes with it "for free". I think I won't be alone in saying that people who have been burnt by the sheer nightmare that is writing a Makefile and maintaining it (even with the autotools) welcome the breeze that is Boost.Build and Boost.Jam . I don't know if it might be the name "CMake" but anything (IMO) remotely related to Make just turns me and a lot of developers who've dealt with it before away. Now I guess it might be too much to ask, but what if we allow some CMake specific stuff into Boost -- I mean, just include the build files in there and not require the Boost library to restructure itself and/or the files if it would be possible -- and let the users choose whether to use Boost.Jam+Boost.Build or CMake when building Boost for their system, we might be doing everyone a service by providing viable alternatives. If someone wants to pick up the task of using CMake to build Boost and contribute that knowledge/effort into the library/project, then I don't see why we should abandon Boost.Build and Boost.Jam when people still seem to want to use it. It might be a naive question, but why can't we let these build-system specific files reside in the distribution and let users pick which one works for them? I'm positive we can make the CMake and Boost.Build stuff reside in the same distribution and not have to abandon one in favor of another. I for one wouldn't want to see Boost.Build or Boost.Jam deprecated because I've greatly benefited from these technologies greatly. I just wish I could help make them tools better, or at least help it be the tool that the community would like it to be. //Steps down from Soap Box So personally, I'd like to still stick with Boost.Build and Boost.Jam -- and hope we can articulate the requirements somehow and file tickets for them so people can actually pick up where others left off and improve Boost.Build and Boost.Jam for everyone's sake. That however doesn't mean I would reject a well-meant effort of putting in the CMake build instructions/files into the distribution just as long as BBv2 and Boost.Jam stay. I hope this makes sense. (If not, sorry for the noise). On 5/13/07, Bill Hoffman <bill.hoffman@kitware.com> wrote:
David Abrahams wrote:
on Sat May 12 2007, "Douglas Gregor" <dgregor-AT-cs.indiana.edu> wrote:
Did you rely on the online documentation, or did you also buy the book, "Mastering CMake"?
According to what Bill Hoffman told me, part of the reason the docs are confusing is that the book is outdated.
I don't think I said that... I certainly did not mean to say it... :-) There are a few things that have been updated since the book, and they are covered here:
http://www.cmake.org/Wiki/CMake_FAQ#What_is_the_most_recent_version_covered_...
-Bill
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