OK, I think it's time we try to remain professional and back off a little. Matias clearly didn't mean any harm by what he said, and he had good intent. Joaquín raises valid points in his email, and I think these need to be addressed, and negative discussions aren't going to advance the topic any. I ask that we stick with the objective view of the situation (as presented by Joaquín), rather than the subjective view (women feel patronized // women feel excluded // ...) Jake On 7/6/07, Edward Diener <eldiener@tropicsoft.com> wrote:
Matias Capeletto wrote:
On 7/6/07, james.jones@firstinvestors.com <james.jones@firstinvestors.com> wrote:
Anyway, I'd really like to applaud Matias for actively trying to address the gender imbalance, since if it wasn't for the female dancers that were encouraging of my participation in dance, I wouldn't be a dancer now (and I suspect not nearly as happy a person). I think that until you start to fix the gender imbalance, you don't even realize what kind of useful feedback, opinions, and participation you might be missing out on. You may find that women find it creepy for 50 guys to be, in effect, calling out, "Hey, join us! Come on, we're nice people! And we'll
From: "Stjepan Rajko" <stipe@asu.edu> listen to you - here, you can sit next to me!"
Don't force it.
Bravo !
I think we have been clear enough. We are not forcing anything. To me it is just odd that Boost is a men only business, so I respectfully want to show them that we are open and invite them to work along us.
Women don't need for you to show them that they can work with men. They know it already and, if they don't, they are living in such a backward culture where nothing you say to them, as someone far outside their culture and concerns, is going to make a difference anyway.
Why it is so hard not to be marked as a sexist? Come on, we are only trying to make boost a better place for all of us. Please do not put words in our mouths.
You are not being marked as sexist. You are being patronizing. That's much worse. No woman wants to be pointed out as a "token" being asked to join Boost so that Boosters can say they have a woman's point of view.