Re: [boost] [smart_ptr] Interest in the missing smart pointer (that can target the stack)

On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 11:05 PM, Noah wrote:

On 2/2/2016 6:36 PM, Emil Dotchevski wrote:

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On Tue, Feb 2, 2016 at 6:20 PM, Noah wrote:

Noah, see https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48kP_Ssg2eY

Emil, yeah I actually saw this a while ago. It was good the second time 'round too. Before C++11, I was so ready to dump C++ for a more modern language unencumbered by C++'s legacy baggage. The only problem is that every language that came along for some reason seemed to choose mandatory garbage collection at the expense of raii. I don't know what the state of D is these days, but at least initially they seemed to be embracing garbage collection as well. I just can't accept that non-deterministic garbage collection is the right answer. But since C++11, it seems C++ may now be powerful enough to provide modern alternatives to it's own problematic legacy language elements. And my library was an attempt to see if this was possible. And so far it seems to be.

From slide 28 of his talk about why C++ is not going be fixed:

C++: - Too complicated to fix. - Too constrained by legacy code compatibility requirements. - <in bold> No real interest by user community or standardization committee.

It seems the only way anyone's going to be interested in adopting safer language elements is to market it as a brand new language :)

Can't make C++ less messy or less complicated or more safe without breaking it. If you're looking to avoid the possibility of undefined behavior, C++ is not the language for you. Emil