
David Abrahams wrote:
Yuval Ronen
writes: That's one other option. Another option is just to work with the concepts as they are and stop trying to convince us they're ill-conceived. What's wrong with that one? I don't mean to be facetious, but you seem to be grasping at straws to show that there's something wrong here, but I don't see what major problems the status quo is causing. I was hoping to get to the bottom of this, to fully understand what's going on, and why, to convince or be convinced. However, if you are unwilling to continue this discussion, then, well, you have every right to do so.
Well, it doesn't seem all that productive. At some point, which requirements to make part of a concept is a judgement call. There are guidelines that ought to be followed, but some decisions fall into a gray area. You might legitimately choose differently from Aleksey, but I don't think the validity of your choice delegitimizes his choice, which is what you seem to be arguing.
I never meant to delegitimize anyone or anything, so help me God. It doesn't mean we can't have a discussion, or even an argument, about which of several options is better. And I believe that's true even if we're talking about code already written, used and appreciated. If it sounded like I was delegitimizing, then I'm truly sorry. My sincere apologies to you, to Aleksey, and to the queen of England, if necessary.
We'll just go our separate ways, each maintaining his original opinion, one of us (me) is wrong.
I don't see why you would maintain your original opinion if you were convinced it was wrong.
Now I'm facetious...